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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 7, 2010 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

I agree with you on the wall of sound issue. Maybe I can see/hear where they were going but it never sounded so good as the more simpler set-ups they had before and after '74. Especially the vocal sound, it was/is really thin. Am I missing something? Everytime I get a recommendation it just falls short in my ears

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 7, 2010 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

Did you see the GD perform with the Wall of Sound live?

I've heard good things from people that actually experienced this thing. Granted, there were some shows where it was giving them troubles and a big part of why they stopped with the concept was because the noise cancelling microphones removed too much from the vocals, but all in all seems like a great system. The SBDs are missing the way the system interacted with the hall and lots of the audiences from this era are extremely clappy and chatty, but you can just hear Jerry blasting beams of sound around those halls. Powerful, beautiful, and crystal clear. But honestly, this LIG is some fine psychedelia: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.miller.32634.sbeok.flac16

p.s. 12/31/72 is an incredible show - you are a lucky individual... that Truckin> Other One is... wow... real question here is... did you get bored of that jam? regardless if you enjoyed or not, that morning dew must have been a relief!



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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2010 5:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

Hey DP--the guys in the cover band I speak of; they did see them thru 72--74, and all I can say is they never missed the wall. They only saw west coast shows, so I don't have any idea how many that would be with "it", but in any case, I used to ask them about it regularly, and it seemed to be more impressive in theory than practice...

Second hand gossip, I know...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 8, 2010 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

The phrase "fine psychedelia" drew me in here ... this should work ... something good coming from an "utter disappointment" thread!

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 8, 2010 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

welcome back from vacation! time to get to work listening to only the finest GD... haha! utter disappointments can stay in the past.

where did ya go? hope that hurricane didn't stop your fun.

p.s. that whole second set is primo

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 8, 2010 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

I'm only up to Bobby McGee, if only co-workers did not insist on talking to me ... The Bobby McGee is high of the highest quality, however ...

Thanks, no problems with the hurricane, we were mainly in Pennsylvania, where there was no sign of a storm except a few vague clouds, and Connecticut, where it rained one day. Taking the teenager to look at colleges.

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 7, 2010 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

Never saw them, I suck, too young

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 7, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

haha wow i can't read and i never saw them either. double bummer. so many good shows though, no time to dwell on the shitty ones!

u seen furthur/the dead?

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 7, 2010 10:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

Haven't seen Furthur or the dead but I did enjoy seeing JGB last year in SF, great music and people

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 7, 2010 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

were you at Jerry Day? I went in 2007 and saw JGB there... great vibes and great music... they did an excellent Mission in the Rain and a really extended Deal to close off, during which I began to feel the effects of the magical brownie and ak-47 that my friends from the bus ride gifted me!

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Sep 8, 2010 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

I think when it comes to recordings (I and others have said this before), the SBDs can be thin, especially vocally. That's not to say there aren't magnificent soundboards (please don't chastise me, cliff) but for many of the concerts from this era I get more out of the audience tapes. They just seem to convey the power of the WoS better. I can't point to specific concerts off the top of my head where this is the case, though. I haven't listened to '74 in a while (been focusing more on '70 and '71 as of late).

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 7, 2010 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

My good mad monk, try 7-25-74

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-07-25.sbd.miller.12656.sbeok.shnf

The wall of sound transformed that funky sounding, funky smelling Chicago Stockyards Exhibition Hall - aka the International Amphitheater - into one sweet studio sounding space. Check out the Dark Star -> Stella Blue for some lovely sounds in that sow's ear of a hall - remarkable.

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 7, 2010 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

Seems like you've plugged this show at least a couple times lately. I'll have to give this a listen soon, thanks duckpond

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Sep 7, 2010 11:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: uttter dissapointment

todays lesson is the WOS. Conceptioally it was the fore runner of all the hanging systems you see today which are called LINE ARRAYS. Now the specific problem of the COW PALACE show was that it was basically a sound test that you paid for. They charged $2.50 a ticket no kidding and seeing it was impressive. Trouble was things were out of phase ,some instruments were louder than others and it was just not show ready.They did make a go of it w/ the usuall
2sets but the all that could be AND WAS IRONED OUT. The true reason was logistics, they needed leapfrogging systems to be setup/bkdw and it just became aboondogle.Now
I've heard the new HDCD remix and cleaned up show and that's what it should of sounded like. Also the show prior to the CowPalace they blew out the entire center tweeter array.ALL said if they did not have to move it that would've
been the most powerful sound system in the world. I believe they used 3-mac2500amps and89-mac2300 amps for both p.a. power and instuments.